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Episode 007 – the 12-Step Buddhist Podcast – the King of Prayers

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Episode 007 – the 12-Step Buddhist Podcast: the King of Prayers

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Format: 128kbps MP3
Time: 29:31



  • Thanks to jazz pianist Clay Giberson for the show intro
  • Recitation of the Extraordinary Aspiration of the Practice of Samantabhadra – the King of Prayers
  • Advice for applying this sutra in daily practice as a recovering addict
  • Some criticism of 12-Step fundamentalism

2 comments to Episode 007 – the 12-Step Buddhist Podcast – the King of Prayers


    Good stuff, man. Just a quick comment in your friend driven out of AA (and not to stoke the fires, or anything, just thought I’d leave me own .02 cents… especially considering how many people a podcast can reach): it’s very unfortunate that happened, and continues to happen, actually. However, it’s not just confined to AA. I’ve been to meetings at another fellowship and identified as an alcoholic and given grief for it (“Then why are you here?” or “You have to pick ONE fellowship!”). At ‘open’ meetings, no less. It happens across the aisle.

    Also, fortunately, in AA (and I’d assume in NA, too) the people who feel that way are a shrinking minority. As the median age of AA’s becomes younger and younger, you’d be increasingly hard-pressed to find people who only drank. At meetings geared towards younger people, or held in areas frequented by partiers (in my case, Miami Beach), it’s very common to hear people share about drugs and other aspects of their addictions, and identify themselves as addicts (or at least “alcoholic and addict”) without catching flak for it.

    Just saying it goes either way. Maybe your friend just went to the ‘wrong’ type of meeting – we’re not all like that, and it pains me to hear whenever stuff like that happens. But it’s slowly starting to change.

  • Dolphindave

    Dear Darren L.;

    First let me tell you how much I enjoy and appreciate listening to your podcasts. I also admire your ability to build up this site in terms of self promotion, in terms of your book and site etc.
    So I ask you to consider my arguments that follow as a form of compassion as we are both passionate about the 12 steps and Buddhism.

    Imagine if you were in a Zendo and some one came in, broke the silence of the meditation and started chanting a Tibetan chant while everyone else was silently meditating. Imagine again that when some one explained that by doing this; the chanting person was disturbing both the atmosphere and more importantly the traditions of the Zendo, picture that person saying, hey what’s the big deal its all Buddhism.

    This is the same as attending an AA meeting and calling your self anything other than an Alcoholic, plain and simple. It is not up to an individual to set up rules that apply only to themselves. In AAers seek identification as Alcoholics, it is this identification that leads the person seeking recovery to then embrace the process of recovery: the 12 steps. In fact making up our own rules or saying rules and mores don’t apply to my is one of our biggest problems.

    AA is not my home fellowship, I am an NAer, but if I find my self at any other fellowship I call my self by the common identifier used there, “Hi I’m David and I’m a Compulsive Overeater, Compulsive debtor, Alcoholic.” Not what I want but what tradition dictates.

    Our common welfare in any 12 step fellowship depends on that fellowship’s unity. Although people have the right to call themselves anything they want to Meetings, in following the traditions have the right to maintain an atmosphere of recovery as they decide and try to the best of their abilities.

    I used to do Aikido and every once and a while some one would come onto the tatami and use Karate or Jujitsu, sure these techniques worked and were effective but they weren’t Aikido. It is not all the same thing. If it were AA would still be the only fellowship and the Buddha will just have been a Hindu saint.

    Thanks and keep up the good work!
    David Mohr

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